Below is Mitch's response to my post on the minimum wage. The only adjustment I have made is to delete parenthetical references to outside articles and replace them with in-body hyperlinks. I will, of course, be responding in due time.
I’m going to try to respond to particular points made
throughout the blog post, so developing a linear narrative is going to be
difficult. After the comments I will try to give a big-picture account that
ties it all together.
First, I certainly wouldn’t offer up the article I posted as
any sort of thorough or even remotely rigorous critique of minimum wage law.
Nevertheless, I don’t think it is correct to portray the author as failing in
intellectual honesty through a straw man fallacy. The point of the article is
not to demolish minimum wage, but to give some passing remarks and illustrate a
single (although crucial) point. That point is that the law harms members of
the set of people it is purported to help. Although we may claim that minimum
wage raises workers’ pay, and make it seem as if this is a true universal claim
that applies to all workers at the bottom, this is not true. Nor is it
necessarily true that we will be taking this extra pay from the employer. In fact,
with laws such as this, some people win and some people lose, and those people
are both from the low-skilled, low-experience, employee class, not the employer
class. So, according to the goal of the proponents of minimum wage, the policy
is self-defeating.
As the article demonstrates with the case of economists, a
minimum wage rate that is high enough to be relevant will be a boon to workers
who are productive enough to remain employed, but it will also effectively
price the less productive workers (those at the margin) out of the market. Some
may lose jobs that they had or get their hours cut, some may never get jobs in
the first place. It is this second group that is so easy to overlook. We see
the immediate effects of a minimum wage increase on the current workers – they
get more money. What we might not notice is the downsizing, reduction of hours,
or raising of prices to compensate. And what we almost certainly don’t see is
the cost for those people who would have had a job if it weren’t for the fact
that no employer is allowed to pay them a wage that they are worth (a wage that
reflects their productivity – a wage that is less than the employer’s valuation
of their labor, which is a necessary condition of employment). These are people
like the inexperienced, unskilled, and uneducated. These are the teenagers,
young adults, and immigrants. There was a time when a kid would get an after
school job doing cleaning or errands or whatever for the corner store. The kid
wouldn’t make much, but he would get valuable work experience and learn
responsibility and maybe some skills. This would benefit him later in life. A
related case is the immigrant who doesn’t speak English. He simply isn’t worth
very much to an employer due to the language barrier and, presumably, minimal
skills. He might be capable of basic jobs (again, cleaning, painting, light
maintenance), but maybe not enough to pay him minimum wage. That is, paying him
that wage would force a loss onto the employer and so makes no economic sense.
The employer will just decide to forgo having that job filled and maybe spread
the work amongst the other employees, use a technological alternative, or do
without. In short, the workers whose productivity is at the margins will suffer
from a minimum wage law, if that law imposes a wage that is greater than their
productivity (which it is likely to be for some, if the wage is at all
significant). This is a purely economic conclusion.
To make this case, the author of the article I posted
discussed what would happen to economists if they had a minimum wage. He set
the wage high, but the point would stand if he had set it at something more
modestly above his current salary. He would be let go, but minimum wage
proponents would probably just focus on the boon to those economists who
remained employed at the higher wage. This same story applies in the case of
the marginal worker, and, thus, we can argue that minimum wage laws are bad
policy, even according to the standards set by proponents of minimum wage. As
the article also alludes to, the fact that some are hurt by this policy has
actually been a central reason why some labor
unions and skilled laborers in general have often been the champions of minimum wage. It
effectively limits their competition by pricing their low-skill competitors out
of the market.
Now, in regard to your example business in the widget
industry, there are a few points to be made. First, your characterization of
the causal story that determines a widget’s price does follow the commonly
envisioned process, but it is basically backward. As the story is told, the
business owner takes into account all of the costs of production and then marks
the sales price up from that to make a profit. In reality, it is the price at
which the widget will sell that dictates the prices of the factors used in the
production of widgets. In other words, it is only because our business owner,
C, knows (or believes) that widgets will sell for X dollars, and that he will
sell Y widgets that he is willing to pay for labor and materials that total
something less than X × Y. It is because he can calculate (rationally guess)
what his gross revenue will be that he can determine how much he can pay for
the factors of production. So, we can say that it is ultimately consumer demand
that dictates the prices for the various factors of production, including
labor. What we would call the “labor theory of value” or “cost of production
theory of value” that is gestured at in Erich’s post, and perhaps endorsed by
Hairtic, the commentator, can be attributed to Adam Smith, as well as Karl
Marx, as he learned it from Smith. This theory of value has been exploded in
the meantime, and we can now say that the value of a good (like a widget) is
not a function of the materials used and labor expended to make it, but rather a
subjective value judgment from the consumer (or all consumers). In short, a
widget is worth what people are willing to pay for it, and so the factors
necessary to produce widgets are worth what people are willing to pay for them.
But, since widget producers are the ones buying the factors of production
necessary for widgets, and they are performing business calculations based on
anticipated sales, the price of the consumer good (the widget) dictates the
price of the factors of the good’s production (the stuff we make widgets out
of, again, including labor).
Later in the discussion of the business we are introduced to
the idea of a “successful, self-sustaining business,” which exists when D –
(A+B+C) = 0. Using the word ‘successful’ may be objected to here, as is the use
of the word ‘self-sustainable’. I don’t see how this business is successful if
it makes no actual profit. I understand ‘D’ to be “aggregate sales profit” or
just “gross sales,” so the company’s net profit must be zero in this model. I
suppose since C is the sole owner, C’s salary can be seen as remainder company
profit, so the business may be successful, but an incorporated business would
not be successful if the math worked out this way. It isn’t clear that it would
be sustainable either, but these points are not crucial.
More importantly, we have to discuss the “excess income
beyond sustainability,” which I think must mean, “profits above subsistence for
the workers and owner.” (correct me if I’m wrong about that) First, I’m not
sure where this idea of the worker being paid only a subsistence wage comes
from or why we think it’s true, but it must be Mr. Marx to blame again (few
have done as much damage to public thinking about economics as that man). We
should disabuse ourselves of that notion entirely. The wage paid to an employee
is the result of a contract between that employee and the employer. It is a
voluntary arrangement with agreed upon terms. If we want to blame somebody for
the employee’s low salary, we should blame the employee, because, after all,
this person accepted the job at the pay specified! Therefore, the employee must
have determined that having the job at that pay rate was better than having
some other available job or no job at all (according to a basic axiom of human
action that tells us that all human action is done, necessarily, in an effort
to produce consequences that are deemed better than current circumstances).
What the “marginalist revolution” in value theory (mentioned above) taught us
is that exchange on the market is not a case of equal exchange (which is what
Smith and Marx thought – an exchange of goods of equal labor value), but rather
a case where both parties gain (or at least think they gain). When I spend $5
on a burger I judge that the burger is worth more to me than $5, and the owner
of the burger judges that $5 is worth more to her than the burger. Similarly,
when a person takes a job for $5/hour she must judge that $5 is worth more than
the other potential uses of her hour of time, and the owner must judge that an
hour of her time is worth more than $5. It is necessarily win-win (even though
there are many cases where the employee’s “win” is merely to stay alive by
subsisting off of their low wage).
Now, why should we be comfortable with the possibility that
some people lack options and so take a job at a low wage because of their
limitations? This is related to the worry about why the owner of the business
should get to keep the proceeds of the business when the workers are paid so
little. Even if we accept that an employment contract is in some sense
voluntary, it still seems unjust (or immoral) to allow the worker to “suffer
the exploitation of the capitalists.” Setting the moral question aside for the
moment, the purely economic response, based in the rights of property, tells us
that there is nothing amiss here. The owner of the business, C, does not owe
his employees, B, anything (certainly not a job – C could close the whole place
down if he wanted). Rather, C has some capital (the business) and he engages in
exchange with members of B (C’s money for B’s labor). If C wanted to close his
business and take up basket weaving as a hobby, this would put all of B out of
work, but so what? It’s C’s property after all. It’s his business. B has no
claim on that, just as they have no claim on anything more than what C is
contractually obligated to give them. So, assuming all property titles were
legitimate to begin with, B’s complaint of low wages is empty. Now, does this
mean that C is exploiting B – is it the case that C is acting merely as a
“siphon to [the] profits”? No. Not at all. In fact, C is providing a very
important service for B and the rest of society – a service or function that is
essential in the wealth creation process. As Erich says, C takes the risk in
the business venture. If things don’t work out, the B’s can get another job,
and other than an interruption in income, they lose nothing. C, on the other
hand, stands to lose quite a bit if the whole company can go under, and with it
all of the capital value that C has stored up to build the business. This is
only part of the story though. It is through C’s holding of greater resources
that he is able to pay B for work done, long before the final product is sold
(which eventually covers the expenses C incurred building the business and
paying the workers). C may put a lot of time, money, and effort into building a
business. He may pay his employees all along the way, and it may still turn out
that no one wants to buy his consumer products or services, in which case C
loses all of that invested time, money, and energy. B got paid all along. C is
taking the risk and C is providing the start up resources. These resources are
his property, he has contracted with B and arrived at mutually agreeable terms,
and whatever is leftover from all of this in the form of profit is for C to
have exclusive rights to. If B wants more, then be should renegotiate the terms
of the labor contract, find a new job, or start a business of his own. It is
certainly not the case that anyone owes B anything just because B exists and
wants stuff. In economist jargon, it is B’s high “time-preference” that leads B
to want to be paid now (B’s wage), while C’s lower time-preference enables C to
wait longer for the venture to pay off (when the consumer good or service is
finally sold). Why do these time-preferences differ? Because, presumably, C has
saved up capital from which to live, and so can forgo the immediate gratification
of work, but B does not have such capital, so B needs to be paid along the way.
Again, not an exploitation of B by C, rather, a mutually beneficial exchange.
Doesn’t the fact that capitalists are the ones who already
have most of the money make a difference? No. In a market economy free of undue
interference, a person must either invest their surplus money (or other
resources) back into the economy to grow that holding, or they must consume
that holding over time, and so grow poorer. The former creates business
opportunities and jobs, the later will eventually bring them down to a lower
economic level, unless they decide to be productive again by either using their
labor power to work and produce wealth or using their resources to invest in the
production of consumer’s goods. A capitalist can only become and remain rich by
putting his resources to work. Moreover, in doing so (in putting those
resources to work) the capitalist is beholden to the consumers. Again, if we
ignore the (huge) impact of government interventions, the capitalist is not the
exploiter, but the provider for the wants of society. In order to succeed he
must provide a product or service that people are willing to buy. He must
satisfy consumer demands. In the market order the consumer is sovereign and
money is like a vote. The businessman works for the consumer in a very real
sense.
Now, what about the actual world? Well, in our current condition,
with a highly interventionist government and a central bank that creates money
out of nothing, much of this is distorted. Do the capitalists in our system
exploit us? Well, yes. However, they do not do this through the market system,
they do this through their control of the coercive power of government. The
greatest profit scheme around right now is the control of congress and the
executive. We must all know this. Look at how much is spent on presidential
elections. Look at the lobbying industry. A corporation these days would rather
spend billions lobbying than anything near that amount in R&D because the
lobbying pays so much better. Many of us have been educated to believe that the
big bad business man is the enemy who will exploit us and the good guy
government is who we should count on to save us from this, but this can best be
classified as myth. The myriad conveniences of modern life are provided by the
profit-motivated capitalists and entrepreneurs. We live very well, especially
compared to times past, because these people have tried to make a profit off of
us, and we a psychic profit off of them (the satisfaction of consuming). The
limits to this happy marriage of people trying to make profit for themselves by
supplying others with what they want have been imposed, predominantly, by the
laws of the ruling class, who are beholden to the moneyed-interests. Why does
sugar cost a US citizen about twice the world market price? Government tariff
that benefits domestic sugar producers at everyone’s expense. Why are certain
business in the financial sector able to leverage themselves 300/1 without
worrying about the market discipline that would be imposed by the threat of
bankruptcy? Government’s implicit guarantee of a bailout. Why do costs continue
to rise year after year? It is the policy of our government and their central
bankers to make it so. Or, to put this last point another way, because we have
built a monetary system that requires a constant increase in the supply of
money to stave off collapse because every dollar is brought into existence as
debt that has to be paid off with interest, but we don’t ever create the
interest! Is this capitalistic? No. It is corporatist, interventionist, and
socialist.
This relates back to minimum wage. The impetus for minimum
wage is often the observation that the people at the bottom of the pay scale
are having trouble keeping up (they are having trouble “beating inflation”). In
other words, they are experiencing a decrease in their standard of living
because they are experiencing a decrease in their wealth over time. They may be
making more money than people at the bottom in times past (their nominal wages
are higher), but they have less purchasing power, especially when we correct
for the greater efficiency and technological advances that we currently enjoy.
Why do they now make more money but have less wealth? Because prices continue
to rise, and that is the fault of our government and their monetary policy. Why
does the average person invest in the stock market, even though they don’t know
what the hell they are getting into? Why did the average person think that a
house was a sure investment (even to the point of buying them just to “flip”)?
Because the honest, thrifty saver doesn’t grow their wealth, and worse, they
don’t even keep it! The rate of inflation is greater than the interest rate. A saver
is a sucker. If you want your money to work for you (or just not be inflated
away) you have to go into riskier ventures that promise higher returns, even
though the average person shouldn’t be anywhere near this kind of market. This
is why we have such a low savings rate in this country, why everyone is in
debt, why so many people lost so big in the most recent crisis, and why,
ultimately, the banks rule the world. Not only do they have all of the
consumers working for them to pay off their debt, all governments too are beholden
to the banks for the payments on their “sovereign debt,” which means, in
reality, all us taxpayers are on the hook. Take a guess who dictates major
government policy when the state itself (the taxpayers, essentially) are trillions
of dollars in debt to banks.
Minimum wage is a corrective in the eyes of its proponents.
And it seems necessary, but this is only because they have accepted all of the
former interventions into the market order. It is because we implicitly condone
the meddling that came before that we now ask for more meddling. And the
arguments will often be moral. Look at the poor people suffering. We should
help them. By undoing all of the damage government has caused? By doing away
with the excessive regulation and fiat money? No, of course not. We want to
keep all of that and just add more on top. We accept government intervention,
which implies that we will continue to ask for it when the unintended
consequences of the earlier policies create conditions that we don’t like. This
is a never-ending cycle that is predicted to culminate in total socialism. It
is inherent to the logic of the first interventions. Once the government
intervenes (other than to create a fair legal order with property rights and
contract enforcement) unintended and undesirable consequences will arise and
more intervention will be needed, repeat, etc. Minimum wage is just another one
of these interventions. It may be more politically expedient than rolling back
the mountain of government interference, but it is not a long-term fix, just
another band-aid on the disaster of a system we live under.
4 comments:
Couldn't agree with you more, Mitch. It should be clear to all that we already have at our disposal a well designed system for a fair, just management and distribution of our nation's resources. An unfettered and purely free marketplace of ideas, skills, and initiative is the only road to economic strength and justice.
The disastrous economic nightmare we find ourselves suffering under today can only be attributed to the evils of government interference. The solution is as obvious as it is inevitable. We must sweep the table clean, erase the slate, and start over again from scratch. Each individual adult resident (not just citizens, mind you. There must be amnesty for the illegal aliens, as well, as long as they're already here.) should receive an equal share of existing assets and capital to administer in any way his or her intrinsic merits provide. Then give our free marketplace time and space to sort them all out. There will be winners and there will be losers, but the results are certain to line up in a Darwinian continuum of individual merit. I'm quite sure that the current ownership class, confident in their own intrinsic superiority, will gladly give up all the wealth and advantage Daddy and Granddaddy acquired unjustly through the unnatural evil of government interference and then passed on for their use. Yep, that's it- a clean slate and fresh start! Glory to the new winners and a stern admonition to the losers to work harder. But this time, NO GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE!! Good call, Mitch.
Of course, no government interference kind of implies no law, so just to be on the safe side, better make sure there's an equal distribution of the guns and ammo, too.
I'm having trouble parsing the sarcasm. I'll just assume you are against everything I've said and go from there.
We can't reset. Some people have accumulated their wealth through legitimate means. A reset would be unjust for them. Our desire for economic justice cannot justify using coercion against people who are innocent of any wrongdoing.
But what about those who acquired their resources unjustly, or were bequeathed such resources? As said in my previous post, these people must either invest their wealth back into the system (thereby creating jobs, and more wealth for all, if successful), or they must consume that wealth over time (all the while patronizing other business and giving other people work along the way, as they purchase consumption goods). Based on this consideration, we can accept that the current distribution is unjust, but still deny that we should go in and tweak things.
Yes, there will be winners and there will be losers. Such is life. It may be regrettable, and it may be solvable someday, but it will never be acceptable for the issue to be addressed through force. If you and enough like-minded people decide that you want to voluntarily give your excess holdings to the people who don't have enough, then by all means proceed. This could potentially prove successful in eradicating poverty (at least for a while - until additional people have bad luck or make terrible choices). However, if you wish to use the coercive power of government to forcibly take resources from others to spread around, then you are endorsing immorality. It isn't OK just because it is "the state" doing the taking and giving. Robin Hood was no moral exemplar, he was a moral monster.
Lastly, I never said no government interference. I am not an anarchist (although I may be close). I do think the government has a legitimate function. That is to enforce the ground rules of capitalism. Protect life and property, enforce contracts, and adjudicate disputes. We might call this the "classical liberal" tradition. It is certainly not a proper function of government to favor some groups and the cost of others, and that is exactly what it currently does.
The proper trend, therefore, is to begin the long process of dialing back the interventionist policies that have been put in place over the last couple hundred years. Not a complete, immediate wipe clean, but a gradual process of returning us to freedom. Yes, some people will be poor and have to work. To think that it shouldn't be this way is to deny the natural state of humanity. Life takes effort to preserve. It requires turning natural resources into consumption goods. It takes work. The only way to avoid the work is to have saved up enough so that you can live without producing further. If you are not lucky enough to be born to parents who have done this, then you have to do it yourself. No one owes you anything simply because you exist and have desires.
And see Mitch, that's exactly where I think the embrace of something as purely ideological and non-pragmatic as the Austrian School ends up pushing you into a very weird place. Read that again: "Robin Hood was no moral expemplar[;] he was a moral monster." Gone is the fact that the Sheriff of Nottingham acquired all of his wealth by plunder, which Robin was just revisiting upon him. Gone is any examination of his character, the way he treated his subjects, the objectification of the Maid Marian, his abject brutality, the fact that in any sensible analysis the Sheriff IS THE STATE. We can derive everything we need to know about the morality of the situation from a cursory comparison of the wealth at the beginning of the saga. Sheriff = Rich = Moral = Deserving. Robin = Poor = Immoral = Moocher.
And the thing of it is, we all spent HUGE chunks of our childhood watching Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves at Ben's. That movie has got to be burned into your psyche. How on earth did you choose THAT example?! Can your philosophical evolution possibly lead you to admire Alan Rickman's character and despise Kevin Costner's? You may come back and say that the movie slants toward the hero, but really, it is (other than the magic) perfectly plausible. People like those characters have of course existed. And all things being equal, you're with the Sheriff, because with that much money, he must have done SOMETHING right, which inspired envy in the lesser Robin, which is what is really going on here. For real?!
I'll have more to say on both your post and your response to my father when I have a bit more time over the weekend. I envision a line by line response of your original response, but am booked for the next few days. But the Robin Hood thing jumped out at me, and required a response.
One more thing. Hairtic, Guiseppe: can it with the sarcasm. I can't stop you from engaging in this way, and I won't delete your comments if you do. But anyone who is willing to go forth into the world to debate great ideas deserves at the least a straight, if pointed and harshly worded response. I am sure you can make your points without resorting to that avenue of argument. Actually, they'd probably be more effective and convincing.
Some Points:
I didn't mean to pass judgment on Robin Hood's entire character (the character of the character - as exemplified in the many renderings). I also didn't mean to imply that I was pro sheriff. I don't know the details well enough to speak in depth on the matter, but if this man was in power and enjoyed wealth because of past injustices he committed, then he is a moral monster as well. I have been under the assumption that Mr. Hood (in some instantiation) robbed random wealthy people to distribute the loot amongst the poor folks in Sherwood (is that the name of the forest?). If that is the case, then moral monster. Helping the poor by stealing from the rich is not justified. Neither is specifically taxing the rich to do the job. Different words and a slightly different process but the same basic mistake. The ends don't justify the means.
So, we've moved pretty far beyond the economic issues surrounding minimum wage. The questions we are confronted with now have to do with whether it is appropriate for the government to intervene in the market, and whether justice can be done this way. Now we need to discuss political theory. We need to determine where government authority begins and ends. We need to determine on what basis we answer this question.
We are all in favor of having a government. The question is how much of one. I won't begin that debate here, but I submit that you would accept some basic, fundamental points about humans and their rights that I would argue for. And these things you would accept are inconsistent with an interventionist government. I think you are both willing to argue on consequentialist grounds that certain redistributive policies are necessary for justice. In contrast, I believe in a system with basic procedural rules of justice (property/contract law), and reject the legitimacy of tweaking this system of rules on the basis of the desirability of certain material consequences. We should discuss this in more detail sometime. It is the real foundation of the whole debate.
I used to be a liberal; in part, because of the many contradictions on the conservative side. Then I realized the contradictions of contemporary liberalism. Now I'm a libertarian - the only consistent position, as far as I can tell. I used to be in favor of government interventions that were purportedly aiming at helping people in my country. This is "mainstream" doctrine in politics and economics. I accepted what the politicians and pundits told me. Then I began to study economics for myself and better understand that subject. Again, contradictions presented themselves and I abandoned support for interventionism. Now I am pro-free market.
A point that I wanted to stress in the minimum wage debate is the following. Fractional reserve, fiat money, central banking schemes have significant wealth redistribution effects. That is, they exacerbate whatever disparities we would otherwise see in the incomes and wealth of people in society. This being the case, I am strongly against any position which chooses to ignore this aspect (or even defend it) while at the same time promoting band-aid measures like minimum wage. When fully understood, it is clear that our monetary system is gravely unjust, and once we realize this we must see that it is no real fix to raise the wages of those at the bottom to stave off poverty for them while we are all the while accepting the existence of a basic institution that perpetually creates it. Poverty and a large wealth-gap are the symptoms of the underlying problems, not problems in and of themselves. A central (absolutely essential) part of a real answer to the issues we face is monetary reform. If you are against poverty and an excessive wealth-gap, then you should be against the Fed (and central, fiat banking in general).
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